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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

1. Jim Foster (1987-1992)

Pro(s): Started the league, got the patent on the nets, laid the foundation for the league. Stayed involved after he stepped down.
Con(s): After the initial hype died down, he had trouble finding TV partners.
Best Franchise(s): Pittsburgh Gladiators/Tampa Bay Storm (1987-2008; 2010-present), Orlando Predators (1991-2008; 2010-2016), Arizona Rattlers (1992-2008; 2010-2016*)
Worst Franchise(s): Washington/Maryland Commandos (1987; 1989), New England Steamrollers (1988), LA Cobras (1988)


2. Scott Butera (2014-present)

Pros: Brought the league (mostly) out of debt, rebuilt a solid foundation for the league to grow, given the league respectably
Cons: Handling of the Las Vegas Outlaws for 2014 playoffs, the loss of many high-quality franchises (Arizona, Jacksonville, and Iowa to other leagues; San Jose and Orlando folded). 5-team season in 2017.
Best Franchise(s): Washington Valor (2017-present)
Worst Franchise(s): Portland Steel (2016**)

3. David Baker (1997-2008)

Pros: Got the league to its largest scale ever with network TV (NBC, ABC, ESPN), video games (Kurt Warner's Arena Football Unleashed, Arena Football, Arena Football: Road to Glory), recognizable names (Kurt Warner, Jay Gruden, etc.), and AF2
Cons: Turned the AFL into a ponzi scheme, Allowed Elway to end Ironman Football, not having 2004 eastern division champion Dragons in playoffs.
Best Franchise(s): Philadelphia Soul (2004-2008; 2011-present), Chicago Rush (2001-2008; 2010-2012***).
Worst Franchises: Florida Bobcats (1996-2001), New York City Hawks (1997-1998)/New England Seawolves (1999-2000)/Toronto Phantoms (2001-2002).


4. Jim Drucker (1994-1996): I know nothing about him, other than he added the San Jose Sabercats (1995-2015).


5. Joe O' Hara (1992-1993)/Ed Policy (2008-2009): I know nothing about either of them.

6. Jerry Kurz (2010-2013)
Pro: brought the league back from the corpse of AF2
Best Franchise: Jacksonville Sharks (2010-2016*)
Cons/Worst Franchises: See next post.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

I'd put Foster first as well, but really only because he was the founder.

Jim Drucker is a nice guy, but did a far better job as commissioner of the CBA than he did with the AFL. O'Hara wasn't around long enough to make a major impact one way or the other.

Second worst? Kurz. The man had absolutely no business being the front man of a professional sports entertainment venture. Thought tact was something you hung pictures from. Had the PR instincts of the Trump administration. A bad fit all around. But not the worst.

My vote for the worst would go to David Baker. While Baker was responsible for a number of AFL's perceived successes, he was also the chief architect of its demise, essentially running a Ponzi scheme with league franchises (selling them for larger and larger franchise fees in an effort to offset exploding team operating costs, caused in large part by Baker's own efforts to promote the AFL as a "fifth major" sport when it was at best a niche). He may have been in charge when the AFL was at its public awareness zenith, but his actions ultimately ended the AFL and set the entire sport back, probably a quarter century if not permanently.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

TargetToad wrote:
1. Jim Foster (1987-1992)

Pro(s): Started the league, got the patent on the nets, laid the foundation for the league. Stayed involved after he stepped down.
Con(s): After the initial hype died down, he had trouble finding TV partners.
Best Franchise(s): Pittsburgh Gladiators/Tampa Bay Storm (1987-2008; 2010-present), Orlando Predators (1991-2008; 2010-2016), Arizona Rattlers (1992-2008; 2010-2016*)
Worst Franchise(s): Washington/Maryland Commandos (1987; 1989), New England Steamrollers (1988), LA Cobras (1988)


2. Scott Butera (2014-present)

Pros: Brought the league (mostly) out of debt, rebuilt a solid foundation for the league to grow, given the league respectably
Cons: Handling of the Las Vegas Outlaws for 2014 playoffs, the loss of many high-quality franchises (Arizona, Jacksonville, and Iowa to other leagues; San Jose and Orlando folded). 5-team season in 2017.
Best Franchise(s): Washington Valor (2017-present)
Worst Franchise(s): Portland Steel (2016**)

3. David Baker (1997-2008)

Pros: Got the league to its largest scale ever with network TV (NBC, ABC, ESPN), video games (Kurt Warner's Arena Football Unleashed, Arena Football, Arena Football: Road to Glory), recognizable names (Kurt Warner, Jay Gruden, etc.), and AF2
Cons: Turned the AFL into a ponzi scheme, Allowed Elway to end Ironman Football, not having 2004 eastern division champion Dragons in playoffs.
Best Franchise(s): Philadelphia Soul (2004-2008; 2011-present), Chicago Rush (2001-2008; 2010-2012***).
Worst Franchises: Florida Bobcats (1996-2001), New York City Hawks (1997-1998)/New England Seawolves (1999-2000)/Toronto Phantoms (2001-2002).


4. Jim Drucker (1994-1996): I know nothing about him, other than he added the San Jose Sabercats (1995-2015).


5. Joe O' Hara (1992-1993)/Ed Policy (2008-2009): I know nothing about either of them.

6. Jerry Kurz (2010-2014)
Pro: brought the league back from the corpse of AF2
Best Franchise: Jacksonville Sharks (2010-2016*)
Cons/Worst Franchises: See next post.

Worst Franchises: Bossier-Shreveport Battlewings/New Orleans Voodootwo (2010-2015), Milwaukee Iron/Mustangs 2 (2010-2012), Alabama Vipers/Georgia Force 2 (2010-2012), Dallas Vigilantes (2010-2011), Pittsburgh Power (2011-2014), Chicago Rush 2013.
Cons: Wasting league money week after week to get his face on TV, Everything off the field about the 2013 Chicago Rush from the criminal ownership from having to play in Rockford 89 miles out of Chicago, the sheer amount of markets he practically killed away from arena football, Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table, the rampant cheating, valuing "his guys" like Dan Newman and Terry Emmiert (Portland) over bilionares with a good business reputations and ownership over their entire towns with Dan Gilbert in Cleveland (even with the comic sans) and Jeff Vinik here in Tampa, making Ivan Soto look not completely incompetent, the strike(d) games, tape-delay unseen since the early 90s, constant unrest in the league, banning Arenafan (where I and many others became fans of the Arena League) away from the league's twitter for disagreeing with the gospel of Kurz, and to put the cherry on top of his poop sundae: suing the league after he got fired because the league was still using the Arena Football (AF1) brand.

Edit: I orginally said 2013 Chicago were shipped off to Rosemount. Jntg4 (thank you btw) corrected me, as they were actually shipped off 89 miles to Rockford.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

TargetToad wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
1. Jim Foster (1987-1992)

Pro(s): Started the league, got the patent on the nets, laid the foundation for the league. Stayed involved after he stepped down.
Con(s): After the initial hype died down, he had trouble finding TV partners.
Best Franchise(s): Pittsburgh Gladiators/Tampa Bay Storm (1987-2008; 2010-present), Orlando Predators (1991-2008; 2010-2016), Arizona Rattlers (1992-2008; 2010-2016*)
Worst Franchise(s): Washington/Maryland Commandos (1987; 1989), New England Steamrollers (1988), LA Cobras (1988)


2. Scott Butera (2014-present)

Pros: Brought the league (mostly) out of debt, rebuilt a solid foundation for the league to grow, given the league respectably
Cons: Handling of the Las Vegas Outlaws for 2014 playoffs, the loss of many high-quality franchises (Arizona, Jacksonville, and Iowa to other leagues; San Jose and Orlando folded). 5-team season in 2017.
Best Franchise(s): Washington Valor (2017-present)
Worst Franchise(s): Portland Steel (2016**)

3. David Baker (1997-2008)

Pros: Got the league to its largest scale ever with network TV (NBC, ABC, ESPN), video games (Kurt Warner's Arena Football Unleashed, Arena Football, Arena Football: Road to Glory), recognizable names (Kurt Warner, Jay Gruden, etc.), and AF2
Cons: Turned the AFL into a ponzi scheme, Allowed Elway to end Ironman Football, not having 2004 eastern division champion Dragons in playoffs.
Best Franchise(s): Philadelphia Soul (2004-2008; 2011-present), Chicago Rush (2001-2008; 2010-2012***).
Worst Franchises: Florida Bobcats (1996-2001), New York City Hawks (1997-1998)/New England Seawolves (1999-2000)/Toronto Phantoms (2001-2002).


4. Jim Drucker (1994-1996): I know nothing about him, other than he added the San Jose Sabercats (1995-2015).


5. Joe O' Hara (1992-1993)/Ed Policy (2008-2009): I know nothing about either of them.

6. Jerry Kurz (2010-2014)
Pro: brought the league back from the corpse of AF2
Best Franchise: Jacksonville Sharks (2010-2016*)
Cons/Worst Franchises: See next post.

Worst Franchises: Bossier-Shreveport Battlewings/New Orleans Voodootwo (2010-2015), Milwaukee Iron/Mustangs 2 (2010-2012), Alabama Vipers/Georgia Force 2 (2010-2012), Dallas Vigilantes (2010-2011), Pittsburgh Power (2011-2014), Chicago Rush 2013.
Cons: Wasting league money week after week to get his face on TV, Everything off the field about the 2013 Chicago Rush from the criminal ownership from having to play in Rosemount 50 miles out of Chicago, the sheer amount of markets he practically killed away from arena football, Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table, the rampant cheating, valuing "his guys" like Dan Newman and Terry Emmiert (Portland) over bilionares with a good business reputations and ownership over their entire towns with Dan Gilbert in Cleveland (even with the comic sans) and Jeff Vinik here in Tampa, making Ivan Soto look not completely incompetent, the strike(d) games, tape-delay unseen since the early 90s, constant unrest in the league, banning Arenafan (where I and many others became fans of the Arena League) away from the league's twitter for disagreeing with the gospel of Kurz, and to put the cherry on top of his poop sundae: suing the league after he got fired because the league was still using the Arena Football (AF1) brand.


Rosemont is only 18 miles from Chicago (downtown to downtown)... Rockford on the other hand is over 89 miles away. Rush always had played in Rosemont, and Chicago Wolves (last remaining tenant) are highly successful. (DePaul and Sky moved to Wintrust Arena and Northwestern will go back on campus after this season. Would be a decent arena to try again with a new owner even if the concourses are awful).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say what you want about Baker, he took risks and failed, but the AFL was at it's best during his time there.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

[quote="TargetToad"]
TargetToad wrote:
Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table


That's why there will be no more long term players like Garcia, who is retarded enough to play 20 years for salaries you can make at McDonald's.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

[quote="AFL79"]
TargetToad wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table


That's why there will be no more long term players like Garcia, who is retarded enough to play 20 years for salaries you can make at McDonald's.

T.T, Mark Lewis, Alvin Ray, and maybe Radenbaugh will be the last of the font termers
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

[quote="TargetToad"]
AFL79 wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table


That's why there will be no more long term players like Garcia, who is retarded enough to play 20 years for salaries you can make at McDonald's.

T.T, Mark Lewis, Alvin Ray, and maybe Radenbaugh will be the last of the font termers


I can't imagine that those guys aren't getting more than the AFL salary somehow? Or they must have regular jobs on the side. Who is going to do that, for that tiny paycheck for years?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Rankings (from best to worst) Reply with quote

[quote="AFL79"]
TargetToad wrote:
AFL79 wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
TargetToad wrote:
Grandpa Garcia flagrantly asking for money under the table


That's why there will be no more long term players like Garcia, who is retarded enough to play 20 years for salaries you can make at McDonald's.

T.T, Mark Lewis, Alvin Ray, and maybe Radenbaugh will be the last of the font termers


I can't imagine that those guys aren't getting more than the AFL salary somehow? Or they must have regular jobs on the side. Who is going to do that, for that tiny paycheck for years?


They have a love for the game and another job, probably one with flexible scheduling to a degree....
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