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AFLNerd36
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:37 pm    Post subject: Long-term expansion goals for the AFL? Reply with quote

What cities/counties should the AFL target for expansion within the next 2-10 years? Here's my list, in no particular order:
1. St. Louis
2. Nashville
3. Miami
4. New York
5. Boston
6. Detroit
7. Chicago
8. Orlando
9. Seattle
10. Sacramento
11. San Antonio
12. Salt Lake City
13. Denver
14. Cincinnati
15. Pittsburgh
16. Las Vegas (specifically, the owners of the Golden Knights, if they are still around and stable in 5 years)
17. Houston
18. Atlanta
19. Toronto
20. Oklahoma City
Feel free to add any locations. Again, these are target cities/counties, it does NOT mean that all cities will have an AFL team in the next 10 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teams in SEC Country and also the Southwest. Those are places where IMO arena ball could thrive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiderfan_MJ wrote:
Teams in SEC Country and also the Southwest. Those are places where IMO arena ball could thrive.


So, Tucson, Albuquerque, Dallas, Baton Rouge/New Orleans, Auburn, and maybe Tuscaloosa?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Long-term expansion goals for the AFL? Reply with quote

AFLNerd36 wrote:
What cities/counties should the AFL target for expansion within the next 2-10 years? Here's my list, in no particular order:
1. St. Louis
2. Nashville
3. Miami
4. New York
5. Boston
6. Detroit
7. Chicago
8. Orlando
9. Seattle
10. Sacramento
11. San Antonio
12. Salt Lake City
13. Denver
14. Cincinnati
15. Pittsburgh
16. Las Vegas (specifically, the owners of the Golden Knights, if they are still around and stable in 5 years)
17. Houston
18. Atlanta
19. Toronto
20. Oklahoma City
Feel free to add any locations. Again, these are target cities/counties, it does NOT mean that all cities will have an AFL team in the next 10 years.


So, really, list a bunch of cities with NBA/NHL owners who might want an AFL team.... yes, in that case, that is the "list".

Although, the list is really about half of this, there are a number of markets here that for various reasons (at least in the next 4-5 years) won't make sense, but, I guess in 5-10 years, if the teams that did get into the AFL are doing well, you might turn around some other owners.

Examples of that: Orlando (Magic right now have no interest in the AFL), Chicago (ditto Bulls/Hawks from what all is known, or even the owners of the AHL Wolves), Vegas (yes, the NHL team is the only way they'd ever get back, although honestly, I think as a "3 time AFL loser" it will be a hard fit anyway you do it, especially if they have the "Las Vegas Raiders" by then)..... Las Vegas's best AFL chance would have been the Outlaws never existing, and this new "AFL team ownership movement" getting the new NHL team owners interested very early, and having their AFL team be the first major sports attraction in the new arena, which is how the Rattlers got kick-started in Phoenix in 1992.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFLNerd36 wrote:
spiderfan_MJ wrote:
Teams in SEC Country and also the Southwest. Those are places where IMO arena ball could thrive.


So, Tucson, Albuquerque, Dallas, Baton Rouge/New Orleans, Auburn, and maybe Tuscaloosa?


Yes. IMO those places are better to focus to on then up east.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts:

Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Albany
Nashville
Memphis
Louisville
Minneapolis
Montreal (just a thought)
Toronto
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:13 am    Post subject: expansion imo Reply with quote

expand in 2018 by at least 1 team from these cities
buffalo,boston,albany,ny,charlotte,nc,birmingham,ala,atlanta,ga
afl schedule w/a 6 team league would be home and home
w/2-4 neutral site games at the cities that wasnt chosen above

expand in 2020 to a 6 team midwest conference
dallas,san antonio,st.louis,kansas city,chicago,milwaukee,minnisota,winnipeg,mb,regina,sk
home and home w/2-4 neutral site games at non selected cities

expand in 2022 to a 6 team pacific west conference
san jose,sacramento,phoenix,tucson,albuquerque,seattle,
vancouver,bc,canada,calgary and/or edmonton ab,canada
schedule will be home and home w/2-4 neutral site games

yes the afl should try canadian expansion
neutral site games will determine if any of the unpicked cities have still interest in a afl franchise or not

inter conference play will be in the 2023 afl season
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would assume we will hear about expansion by Aug 1 for next season, I think 3 teams are what they r shooting for. I think high in priority list is NY, I think Long Island would be best, Ive heard Charlotte rumored, Detroit, I know there pushing for St. Louis.

What Ii wonder is, they r saying they r pushing for the NBA/NHL owners, but we have had them kind of owners come and then go

NBA:
Knicks
Rockets
Magic (Rampage)
Pelicans (Voodoo when he owned Saints)
Raptors
Nuggets
Suns

NHL:
Islanders
Red Wings (owner is now deceased)
Avalanche
Rangers

I doubt any of these owners would come back, then there are NFL owners

Would love to see Butera do a Q & A with fans on their site or this site.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hope expansion teams are announced sooner than Aug. 1st. I thought Butera wanted teams to have a year to prepare like the Valor did. I'm hoping for Albany, Long Island, and New Jersey.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me4afl wrote:
I would hope expansion teams are announced sooner than Aug. 1st. I thought Butera wanted teams to have a year to prepare like the Valor did. I'm hoping for Albany, Long Island, and New Jersey.


I am hoping for a team between D.C. and Tampa as well... Charlotte, perhaps? I think the AFL, with the way the league is now, should do some north-south expansion, followed by expansion to the west... heck, by 2025-2026, the AFL could have over 20 teams, if they play their cards right.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="AFLNerd36"]
me4afl wrote:
heck, by 2025-2026, the AFL could have over 20 teams, if they play their cards right.


LOL, considering in 30 years the AFL has NEVER gotten to 20 teams, despite proclaiming their goal to many times (19 has been the highest).... and right now we are at 5.... let's just get to 8, and then 10, and then 12, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="afdave"]
AFLNerd36 wrote:
me4afl wrote:
heck, by 2025-2026, the AFL could have over 20 teams, if they play their cards right.


LOL, considering in 30 years the AFL has NEVER gotten to 20 teams, despite proclaiming their goal to many times (19 has been the highest).... and right now we are at 5.... let's just get to 8, and then 10, and then 12, etc.



100% YES!!! lets focus and what markets are the best... and expand one at a time
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just listening to the AFL podcast from the arenafootball.com site. Butera talked about expansion. He wants to get to 12 in the next 2 years or so and focusing on the east and midwest. I think it's only a matter of time for teams to get announced....hopefully!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afdave wrote:
AFLNerd36 wrote:
heck, by 2025-2026, the AFL could have over 20 teams, if they play their cards right.


LOL, considering in 30 years the AFL has NEVER gotten to 20 teams, despite proclaiming their goal to many times (19 has been the highest).... and right now we are at 5.... let's just get to 8, and then 10, and then 12, etc.


Sounds like the goals are: 8 teams next year, 12 teams in 2019, and 16 teams by 2022... 20 teams is doable by 2025 at that pace, if you expand and then stabilize at a regular pace.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could Jacksonville get another team at some point? I know we don't have the NBA or NHL presence in the city, but I miss seeing actual AFL action at Veterans Memorial.

Maybe Shad Khan (Jaguars owner) could buy out the Sharks, or the like... :D

I think Jax is still a good Arena Football town, regardless of how badly the Sharks ownership behaved.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dream scenario:

2018
Albany
Orlando
New Jersey

2019
San Antonio
St. Louis

2020
Boston
Detroit

2021
Arizona
San Francisco
San Jose
Seattle

By now, your league looks like:

Western Conference
PACIFIC
Arizona
San Francisco
San Jose
Seattle

CENTRAL
Cleveland
Detroit
San Antonio
St. Louis

Eastern Conference
NORTHEAST
Albany
Boston
New Jersey
Philadelphia

SOUTHEAST
Baltimore
Orlando
Tampa
Washington

And then other markets I like:
Buffalo (NLL's Bandits are big-time attendance draws)
Dallas (rivalry for SA)
Denver
Los Angeles (can't be a MAJOR sports league without being in major markets)
Minnesota
Nashville
New York (See LA)
Omaha (great fan base for UFL's Omaha Nighthawks)
Pittsburgh
Portland (still has great fans, just needs right ownership and marketing)
Raleigh
Salt Lake City
Virginia Beach (new arena in the works)
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperado wrote:
Dream scenario:

2018
Albany
Orlando
New Jersey

2019
San Antonio
St. Louis

2020
Boston
Detroit

2021
Arizona
San Francisco
San Jose
Seattle

By now, your league looks like:

Western Conference
PACIFIC
Arizona
San Francisco
San Jose
Seattle

CENTRAL
Cleveland
Detroit
San Antonio
St. Louis

Eastern Conference
NORTHEAST
Albany
Boston
New Jersey
Philadelphia

SOUTHEAST
Baltimore
Orlando
Tampa
Washington

And then other markets I like:
Buffalo (NLL's Bandits are big-time attendance draws)
Dallas (rivalry for SA)
Denver
Los Angeles (can't be a MAJOR sports league without being in major markets)
Minnesota
Nashville
New York (See LA)
Omaha (great fan base for UFL's Omaha Nighthawks)
Pittsburgh
Portland (still has great fans, just needs right ownership and marketing)
Raleigh
Salt Lake City
Virginia Beach (new arena in the works)


I would add San Diego and possibly Tucson, AZ... for those who DON'T know, the Territorial Cup game (ASU vs. U of A football game) is the oldest and most fiery rivalry in all of football history... adding an in-state rivalry of that magnitude would be MASSIVE for the AFL, even if the Rattlers win over 90% of the head-to-head match-ups.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the AFL ever returning to California. The only successful team was in San Jose, but the owner didn't get along with Butera and decided to close shop. All the other teams here (and there were several) failed quickly, both AFL and afl2.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baton Rouge... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a 0% chance of Canadian or Mexican Teams, unless they spend all season on the road. International travel costs would be prohibitive.

The league seems to be targeting an eastern seaboard set of teams, probably aiming to get a north/south division set up to lower travel costs. If we can get 2 more Northeast Teams, we would have a competitive division (New York and NJ teams already in discussion would handle that) Cleveland is kinda unfortunately far away, but that's just how it is.

That leaves the 5 teams needed in the South.

Orlando returning would be great, Jacksonville returning pending the implosion of the NAL would be fortuitous (if a little bit at the expense of another league).

There's the 2 obvious candidates off the list, since they were in the league recently...

New Orleans VooDoo, Georgia Force returning under the Pelicans and Hawks ownership groups would be very good. Then we start having to really dig... I guess the Miami Bobcats would be good under the right circumstances.

So Yeah,
New York
New Jersey

Orlando
Jacksonville
New Orleans
Atlanta
Miami

Then we're back up to a competitive 12 teams, with reasonable travel for within Conferences.


Longer term it would be good to see Pittsburg, Chicago and a few Midwest/Central teams to establish more teams around Cleveland. Then West coast teams, regaining Arizona, LA, Portland, San Jose, maybe Colorado and Utah as well.
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