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ZubazQB
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DiamondThief wrote:
This league is dead. The principles just do not know it yet.


You REALLY don’t know how to spell, do you?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZubazQB wrote:
DiamondThief wrote:
This league is dead. The principles just do not know it yet.


You REALLY don’t know how to spell, do you?

*principals

Thank you, Sgt. Zubaz, of the Internet Grammar Police! ROFLMAO! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Commissioner Butera Reply with quote

ZubazQB wrote:
mactheknife wrote:

but paying anyone to get your sports entertainment product is insane on the face of it - if you have a product worth anything, they pay you for the privilege of airing it. Maybe not much, but something.


You have zero idea how television works in actuality now, apparently.

My God, the people on this site...if they’re not busy making things up and saying they got it from “trusted sources,” they are displaying either their outright delusions about how popular arenaball is or could be with just a little bit of this or that or their abject ignorance of how sports business works.


Before you start insulting people by questioning their intelligence, re-read what I wrote there, word for word. If in the past, oh, year or so, the relationship between professional sports leagues and broadcasters has diametrically flipped in a fashion where leagues are paying television broadcasters money to air their on-field product as part of a successful business model, instead of the other way around as it has been since the invention of television as a communications medium? Please, point that out to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Butera Model - What is it really? Reply with quote

As Ted Leonsis becomes more active in the league the gap between the stated purpose of the "Butera model" vs what is actually being attempted is becoming wider. Originally the Butera model was 'to have NBA/NHL and/or venue owners buy into the AFL and leverage that sunk cost and/or venue to fill dates.

Now we see Ted is clearly pushing for Sports gambling and IN GAME wagering (like the next play will be a run, pass or sack, etc...). With a former Casino head as AFL commissioner that is starting to make more sense. And also catching the wave of eSports and marrying the two.

https://twitter.com/TedLeonsis/status/951200274940645377

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2018/01/09/legal-sports-betting-18-states-could-introduce-bills-in-2018-report.html

https://tedstake.monumentalsportsnetwork.com/2017/12/21/on-why-i-continue-to-have-faith-and-believe-in-the-arena-football-league

For years both the NBA and NFL spurned sports gambling and casino endorsement. NFL still has that position. The NBA (of which Leonsis is part) has now moved in the direction of gambling.

As a side note - I always thought the UFL should have tried this to standout from the NFL and since they were in LV, lost opportunity but I digress.

So Looking at the past few months - Both Cleveland and TB bail as they apparently don't want to or aren't focused on the 'hail mary' of sports gambling. They fit the Butera Model perfectly but abondoned the league. Ted hijacked it (he was needed to join but now he has control) and its clear the other Butera Modelesq franchises didn't like what they saw.

So we are now left with a league of 3 maybe 4 teams whose ever shifting business plan no longer even attracts 'NBA/NHL/Venue' owners.

This is not a good situation and is very unfortunate. I think Philly would be wise to make peace with Bouchy and slide to the NAL or pray the AFL at least has a short stop gap season to buy time for next year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:47 am    Post subject: AFL to fully embrace responsible Sports Betting Industry Reply with quote

https://twitter.com/SportsBet_USA/status/930514660473876480

>>Looking into future Rick Parry asking if leagues see regulation change as opportunity as opposed to a threat? Scott Butera states @AFLarenaball will fully embrace responsible Sports Betting industry #SBUSA17<<

Its like the Uber of the sports world, corporate lobbying and legal action to change the laws.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Butera Model - What is it really? Reply with quote

[quote="4th&long"]As Ted Leonsis becomes more active in the league the gap between the stated purpose of the "Butera model" vs what is actually being attempted is becoming wider. Originally the Butera model was 'to have NBA/NHL and/or venue owners buy into the AFL and leverage that sunk cost and/or venue to fill dates.

So Looking at the past few months - Both Cleveland and TB bail as they apparently don't want to or aren't focused on the 'hail mary' of sports gambling. They fit the Butera Model perfectly but abondoned the league. Ted hijacked it (he was needed to join but now he has control) and its clear the other Butera Modelesq franchises didn't like what they saw.
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I really don't believe Leonis has anything to do with Tampa and Cleveland bailing. We could place that blame on Ivan Soto with his outrageous demands and outdated revenue streams. Back in 2008, the Chicago Rush brought in somewhere between $3.5-4million in corporate sponsorship, the entire league doesn't bring that in at this point.

Tampa and Cleveland simply did not cave into the AFLPA and Soto's demands. The Storm and Glads are small potatoes on the respective owners portfolio. They were either breaking even or losing a small sum of money. By jacking up salaries, the rising costs for "National Television" and no additional revenue streams, plus no schedule and a decreased window to sell tickets, the Glads and Storm Just said f**k it, we're out. If this league survives it will be due to owners like Ted Leonis and Butera's progressive ideas. Fantasy football and gambling may be the only way to save Arena Football.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I worry about with higher profile gambling such as DraftKings in a league where players are as low paid as the AFL is the possibility of players trying to do things to change fantasy competition results, although really the only ones really able to affect it directly are QBs gearing passes to certain receivers.

Although I guess from what I've seen, DK doesn't run "mega contests" for smaller competitions. IE, I am looking at their e-Sports contests right now, the largest first prize for any of their competitions is $1000 (and that is a $530 entry 4 player 50/50... on smaller entry contests, it is like $300 for top prize)... not nearing big enough for anyone to "throw a game" for.

My guess is for the AFL, you wouldn't see any first prizes over $1000 as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether one agrees with it or not, the mainstreaming of sports gambling is coming thanks to the Supreme Court. The only question is whether team & league owners will take advantage of that imminent new reality or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCAbloob wrote:
Whether one agrees with it or not, the mainstreaming of sports gambling is coming thanks to the Supreme Court. The only question is whether team & league owners will take advantage of that imminent new reality or not.


Sports gambling is already here (illegally), but yes it likely is coming legally. But is that going to generate a massive interest in ALL sports - especially with teams owned by the same owner (ie appearance of collusion). That's the question.

And England style betting in game -on each play ? May be a stretch. And is that a reason to keep the league alive? Why not just form a new league AFTER the gambling is established?

Ted appears to be on his own path here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4th&long wrote:
DCAbloob wrote:
Whether one agrees with it or not, the mainstreaming of sports gambling is coming thanks to the Supreme Court. The only question is whether team & league owners will take advantage of that imminent new reality or not.


Sports gambling is already here (illegally), but yes it likely is coming legally. But is that going to generate a massive interest in ALL sports - especially with teams owned by the same owner (ie appearance of collusion). That's the question.

And England style betting in game -on each play ? May be a stretch. And is that a reason to keep the league alive? Why not just form a new league AFTER the gambling is established?

Ted appears to be on his own path here.

AGL: 2020 Arena Gambling League. All teams will be co-owned by Fanchise and Leonsis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TargetToad wrote:
4th&long wrote:
DCAbloob wrote:
Whether one agrees with it or not, the mainstreaming of sports gambling is coming thanks to the Supreme Court. The only question is whether team & league owners will take advantage of that imminent new reality or not.


Sports gambling is already here (illegally), but yes it likely is coming legally. But is that going to generate a massive interest in ALL sports - especially with teams owned by the same owner (ie appearance of collusion). That's the question.

And England style betting in game -on each play ? May be a stretch. And is that a reason to keep the league alive? Why not just form a new league AFTER the gambling is established?

Ted appears to be on his own path here.

AGL: 2020 Arena Gambling League. All teams will be co-owned by Fanchise and Leonsis.


Correction: All teams will be co-owned by the Jaworski Group, Fanchise and Leonsis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sportsrankings wrote:
Wouldn't the AFL be better off with the MLS model?
You mean the expansion fee ponzi scheme they had under David Baker?
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