New cities for teams?

[VooDooNut]

NFL grew when the TV money started pouring in

We need a TV deal

[Bear124]

[quote="Bear124"][quote="VooDoo's Kelly Bones"]Seattle will be good for 2015..
Since the Supersonic's left....There is a arena just waiting for us!


Look how long it took the NFL to settle down and really start to grow...
National Football LeagueMain article: National Football League franchise moves and mergers
1921: Decatur Staleys moved to Chicago and were renamed Chicago Bears one year later.
[b]1934[/b]: Portsmouth (Ohio) Spartans became Detroit Lions.
1937: Boston Redskins moved to Washington, D.C.
1946: Cleveland Rams moved to Los Angeles
1960: Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis.
1961: Los Angeles Chargers moved to San Diego.
[b]1963[/b]: Dallas Texans moved to Kansas City after winning the AFL championship and became the Kansas City Chiefs.
[b]1982[/b]: Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles. The NFL refused permission for the move, but the team won the right to relocate in a court case.
1984: Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis. The team's offices were slipped out of Baltimore in the middle of the night to avoid a proposed eminent domain seizure by the state of Maryland.
Further information: Baltimore Colts relocation controversy
1988: St. Louis Cardinals moved to the Phoenix area, playing games in nearby Tempe. The team now plays in another Phoenix suburb, Glendale. The team was renamed the Arizona Cardinals in 1994.
1995: Los Angeles Raiders moved back to Oakland after 13 previous seasons, the first "return" relocation of a North American professional sports team. Also the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis. Since then, Los Angeles, the nation's second-largest market, has not hosted a NFL franchise.
Further information: History of the National Football League in Los Angeles
1996: Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Ravens. The move was one of the most controversial in major professional sports history. In response to a fan revolt and legal threats, the NFL awarded a new franchise to Cleveland in 1999, which for historical purposes is considered a continuation of the original Browns franchise.
Further information: Cleveland Browns relocation controversy
[b]1997[/b]: Houston Oilers moved to Memphis and became the Tennessee Oilers. The team originally planned to play both 1997 and 1998 in Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis before moving to their intended destination of Nashville. However, due to poor attendance, the team moved to Nashville in 1998, playing in Vanderbilt University's stadium. The team was renamed the Tennessee Titans in 1999, when their new stadium was opened. The NFL eventually awarded Houston an expansion team for 2002.



You miss the XFL


i know i can not predict the future, but i see it like this

2013 - Nashville
2014 - New York & Los Angelas
[b](Maybe - Dallas, Minneapolis, Portland)[/b]
2015 - Seattle & Denver
[b](Maybe - Bosie, Buffalo, Las Vegas)[/b]
2016 - Miami & Indanapolis
[b](maybe -Omaha, Louisville, Whichita)[/b]
2017 - Columbus & Oklahoma City
[b](maybe - Austin, Tucson, Bakersfield)[/b]
2018 - Detriot & St. Louis
[b](maybe - Sacramento, Houston, Toledo)[/b][/quote][/quote]

[samcro01]

Kelly, the two main problems i have with your line of thought is that in the NFL's first 25 years they had 4 moves. in the AFL's first 25 god only knows. You really cant compare the early growth of the NFL and the AFL as the NFL started with radio and print and grew while the AFL has all the power of social media and tv and print and radio. The second point is why oh why keep shoving teams into failed markets. I see on these boards all the time about LA and NY and Den. Heres a huge clue.Look at the Chicago Rush. They had a firm fan base and now they cant even fill 1/3 of the Allstate. The three cities mentioned will suffer the same fate and they couldnt survive before. That brings us to places like Nashville and Vegas that have repeatedly failed. Why not find a new place to put a team that doesn't have a burned fan base. Didnt OKC and DAL just lose teams? They need to stabilize this league and shelve ALL expansion for at least three years. Then find growth markets not the same old warmed over teams and locales. By the way the only rteason to have teams in the 3 major media markets (NY, Chi and LA) is if you have a major tv presence. Oh yeah, LA doesnt want the NFL so the AFL would be toast there

[VooDoo's Kelly Bones]

[forcefootballforever]

much agreed. an excellent point indeed. these talks of relocating teams needs to cease for now. the league ceased for an entire YEAR. many fans walked away from their teams. now is no time to uproot teams in order to have a quick fix. that will only dig this whole deeper i feel. let teams be where they are for a couple more years and then decide. the entire league will be recovering from 2009 for some time. lets not make the same mistakes.
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[samcro01]

Wow. I thought i was speaking sacralidge. One thing i think the league could do instead of playing musical franchises is to encourage the owners of the low performing team to locate a smeller cheaper arena in the area. Since i am from Chi. i look at it this way. The Sears Center (app 9000) looks half full at 5000 where the Allstate (app 16000) looks alot more than half empty at 7900. Its kinda like buying a house. Start off with a small one and when you fill it get a bigger one. When they look at expansion look for places that might have small under utilized arenas with no real compitition. Souix Falls is a good example. They have a small arena and, accoeding to fans i spoke to there, nothing else sports wise so the Storms home is usually full. There are lots of these cities out there. Right now, the AFL would do better thinking about Souix Falls and Billings instead of NY and LA.

[wildthing2022000]

[forcefootballforever]

the new AFL or afl 2.1 as you said, has no exposure whatsoever. its a myth online and only has television exposure on an expanded channel that most people dont have. the only ones knowing about it are the diehards such as ourselves. i think knowing their lack of exposure to the mainstream audience is more than enough reason to give a team more than 2 years to build back a fan base. 5 years is far too long but i believe one or two more years is fair. same goes for milwaukee and kansas city.
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[VnAFL]

The T.V. product on NFL network is not great. Anthony Herron and the crew are good, but they don't have much to work with. Counting how many times Jerry Kurz says 'absolutely' is fun, but they need to go just a bit more XFL, imho.

With all of the cable channels out there and every child star from the 80's having their own reality show, it seems like they could get something on Spike or another channel.

[stern11354]

VnAFL, I think you have just created a drinking game. Everytime Kurz says absolutely on the game Friday night, you take a drink. Sounds like everyone could br drunk halfway through the 3rd quarter.

[Bear124]

Los Angeles great market

[samcro01]

See this here right above me Thats the kind of thinking i am talking about. They cant get enough people on board to get an NFL franchise and every one wants to slam an AFL one there. LA sucks as an indoor summer venue if you are not the Lakers. Putting a team there in this financial climate would be a disaster of Georgia proportions

[VnAFL]

[AvengersFan]

[dallas]

After sitting back and looking from the outside for the better part of a year now, I'm starting to see things differently.
This league can and will work there's no doubt in my mind. Unfortunately right now its not working in certain cities that have thrived in the past.
Ive always said that if it came down to it, this league can survive as a 6 team league, one division playing a 12 game schedule if it had too.
2012 was a major step back, and both sides share the blame and should.
Right now what the league needs to do is get strong, all this expansion here and there is all fine and dandy, but lets get strong and stable then expand.

[geauxvoodoo]

I am going to make this pretty simple. If it is a good sized market and by that I mean no less than 200,000 less than Spokane. ( and believe it or not that is 268,000 people. It has a good arena that sits at a minimum 8,000 people decent size media market. A owner commited to the team and the league and an ability to host a good arena bowl weekend. The team also dosent have to put 15,000 people in the stands it just has to be forseeable that the team is able to turn a profit. I also think cities with established indoor football teams would make great sites or expansion.

[AJP87]

The Sioux Falls storm of the IFL would be a great addition to the AFDL, as would the Sioux City Bandits.

[samcro01]

Except that Sioux falls wont go and the Sioux City Bandits folded three years ago.

[AJP87]

[quote="samcro01"]Except that Sioux falls wont go and the Sioux City Bandits folded three years ago.[/quote]

Where the heck do you get your info? The Sioux City Bandits have been playing since 2000. They have never folded.

[samcro01]

I stand corrected. I thought they had folded when they left the IFL. So many leagues, so many teams.