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sidelines
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talking to Ferraro, it sounded like Fry wanted in and didn't want to shell out the extra $$$ it was going to take...
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sabermatt
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| YowDawg wrote: | | That's too bad if that's the case. For the fans sake. I guess the last Arena Football game ever played by San Jose will be their worst title performance ever. Sad. |
Worst Ever? They lost by 3 points and we knew who was going to win way before the game even started  |
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SnakesAlive
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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I made no statement to the astuteness of the ownership of the AF1, either positive or negative, I simply was pointing out that San Jose fan has been crying the blues on this message board about the league not letting them into the fold. In reality, San Jose had a a five month window to decide whether to play or not, basically the same window of opportunity that every other team had, in fact, most teams got off their butts and decided to play or fold in only three months time. Sometimes when you blame everyone else or string along the process for such a long period, maybe the ones doing all of the complaining are the real source of the problem. Was the deal that was offered to San Jose that much differently than was offered to the other 15 teams that accepted AF1's financial package? I doubt that the league would be out to single out teams particularly when having San Jose in the fold would be considered by many to be a stroke of genius or clearly a sign of creditablility.
| Bruiser wrote: | | SnakesAlive wrote: | | ... Fact of the matter is that any potential AF1 team had a deadline, the initial deadline of 9/15/2009 to get on board, the same offer was made to all applicants at that point. Several other deadlines passed and San Jose always seemed to have some excuse not to join the fold ... |
Or San Jose just has a better business sense. Look at the collection of owners in the AF1. Do you consider most of them possessing an astute business mind that will grow this sport? If you do I'd really like to know what sways you to that belief.
Only familiar with the shenanigans that Bouchy and Ferraro play but I am assured there are plenty owners of the af2 ilk that are no prizes either. Honestly, I doubt San Jose ever wanted "in" and this is just another spin by the AF1 to hide the fact that they could not get any further west coast participation in their league. |
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Caballo Diablo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thats NOT what i said, i said probably 90% of the fans wont even notice a difference in play. |
Would that be 90% of the fans following an af2 team that just got a higher salary cap or 90% of the fans used to watching an AFL team with a $2 mil salary cap.
The perception by these two groups should be vastly different. |
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Caballo Diablo
Joined: 18 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SnakesAlive wrote: | I made no statement to the astuteness of the ownership of the AF1, either positive or negative, I simply was pointing out that San Jose fan has been crying the blues on this message board about the league not letting them into the fold. In reality, San Jose had a a five month window to decide whether to play or not, basically the same window of opportunity that every other team had, in fact, most teams got off their butts and decided to play or fold in only three months time. Sometimes when you blame everyone else or string along the process for such a long period, maybe the ones doing all of the complaining are the real source of the problem.
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Maybe Fry was holding out thinking he could win the auction??
I guess the why doesn't really matter, usually both sides are involved with the decision. If you want to bash the league you need more than saying they kept your team out of it. |
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SnakesAlive
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| sabermatt wrote: | | YowDawg wrote: | | That's too bad if that's the case. For the fans sake. I guess the last Arena Football game ever played by San Jose will be their worst title performance ever. Sad. |
Worst Ever? They lost by 3 points and we knew who was going to win way before the game even started |
Yes, the final game in Arena Football league history will be known as the * Asterisk* Bowl. The game should have been between the New York Dragons and the San Jose Sabercats. Considering that the final chapter for the league ended the way that it did, it is fitting that the last Arena Bowl also has this black cloud hovering over the game.
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Bruiser
Joined: 24 May 2002
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| TALONS100 wrote: | | Bruiser wrote: | | YowDawg wrote: | | That's too bad if that's the case. For the fans sake. I guess the last Arena Football game ever played by San Jose will be their worst title performance ever. Sad. |
According to Talons (Henry), 90% of the fans who attend an arena game could care less about the type or quality of football played.
So don't fret for the "fan's sake" they're just a bunch of knuckleheads who dont know any better according to someone who has ties to AF1 ownership. Bouchy steals fans money, Primeaux thinks most fans are dumb.. see a pattern here? For the "fan's sake"? Save the insincere rhetoric for the AF1's marketing dept. |
Thats NOT what i said, i said probably 90% of the fans wont even notice a difference in play. |
Say it however you wish, it still represents that it's your belief the majority (90%) of fans are stupid and will buy any old garbage you toss on the field. |
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sabermatt
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| SnakesAlive wrote: | | sabermatt wrote: | | YowDawg wrote: | | That's too bad if that's the case. For the fans sake. I guess the last Arena Football game ever played by San Jose will be their worst title performance ever. Sad. |
Worst Ever? They lost by 3 points and we knew who was going to win way before the game even started |
Yes, the final game in Arena Football league history will be known as the * Asterisk* Bowl. The game should have been between the New York Dragon and the San Jose Sabercats. Considering that the final chapter for the league ended the way that it did, it is fitting that the last Arena Bowl also has this black cloud hovering over the game. |
Agree with you 100%. At least I can say I was there for the very last game the Sabercats played. |
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sidelines
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SnakesAlive wrote: | | ...The game should have been between the New York Dragon and the San Jose Sabercats... |
Gladiators vs SaberCats... the Glads would have killed the Dragons at home...
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quakede45
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="sidelines"][quote="SnakesAlive"]...The game should have been between the New York Dragon and the San Jose Sabercats...[/quote]
Gladiators vs SaberCats... the Glads would have killed the Dragons at home...[/quote]
The Glads were pretty dang good at home that year... I am with sidelines  |
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sjsabercatfan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Since we all know why San Jose is not in AF1, then why did Fresno drop out? Were the rest of the owners worried about Fry teaming up with Fred Biletnikoff Jr. and fielding a team that would be better than the 72 Dolphins???  |
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Tuxedo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| sjsabercatfan wrote: | | Since we all know why San Jose is not in AF1, then why did Fresno drop out? Were the rest of the owners worried about Fry teaming up with Fred Biletnikoff Jr. and fielding a team that would be better than the 72 Dolphins??? |
Central Valley dropped out because they were part of the tier 2 idea. When that went away CVC did too. |
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sidelines
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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these are teams in CALIFORNIA, no?...
I love how you guys think that laws magically change for other teams...
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chrisncory
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I've always been a believer in fighting from the inside and not try to fight from the outside looking in. I think the Sabercats managment really screwed up by not participating in this league, even if it was just for a season.
I seriously doubt that anything better is going to come along in 2011 and doubt very much that the NFL (as has been mentioned elsewhere) are going to jump in and sponsor an Arena League.
Facts of the matter are that the San Jose Sabercats no longer exist except as a logo and name in the AF1 vaults, John Fry has no football team, but still has a GM/VP in Hank Stern (WHY??) and that there are a load of disgruntled fans ready to go watch the San Jose Wolves as there is no other choice.
I, for one, am pissed at the San Jose managment for not making any kind of statement regarding the situation.
I had a lot of respect for the management at the San Jose Sabercats, but that has gone out the window as they are now treating their fans no better than Bouchy treated the Arizona Fans over the ticket refunds.
The least we deserve is a statement that means something. |
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CatsFever
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Season ticket holders got a letter with their 2009 deposit refund, and the team had a statement for a while on their website. I thought that was fine. Most fans don't need to see the sausage being made, and I doubt the Cats have the staff or resources to send out a letter every time there is a development. Just tell us when the team is back and we'll be there. |
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malepig
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| CatsFever wrote: | | Most fans don't need to see the sausage being made, |
Espcially if it is Farmer Vincents fritters.
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chrisncory
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| CatsFever wrote: | | Season ticket holders got a letter with their 2009 deposit refund, and the team had a statement for a while on their website. I thought that was fine. Most fans don't need to see the sausage being made, and I doubt the Cats have the staff or resources to send out a letter every time there is a development. Just tell us when the team is back and we'll be there. |
That was over 12 months ago,,,don't want a letter at every turn just want a statement to clear up why they are not playing to clear up all the rumours. |
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Caballo Diablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| sidelines wrote: | I'm only going to explain this ONE last time, and in better detail...
California worker's comp laws differ greatly from those in other AF1 states. For the SaberCats to join, the AF1's worker's comp payments would be MUCH higher than if they wouldn't join. Fry was asked to pay a higher cut, he said 'no'. The other owners were asked to pay a higher amount if SJ was in, they said 'no'...
California is in the process of changing said laws, but until then or somebody ponies up, the SaberCats won't be playing in the AF1... |
Looks like sidelines knows what he's talking about.
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Insurance Costs Keep Arena League Out of State
By ALAN SCHWARZ
April 5, 2010
After lying fallow for one season, the Arena Football League resumed operations last weekend with 15 teams — none of them in California. This is no accident.
The latest news, notes and analysis as N.F.L. teams explore off-season roster moves.
The A.F.L. avoided a return to California in part because of the state’s workers’ compensation system, which allows retired players to receive $100,000 or more for claims that would be inviable in any other state.
“It’s definitely part of the decision-making process,” Jerry Kurz, the league’s commissioner, said. “I bring it up in the first conversation I have with anyone interested in bringing a team to California.”
A version of this article appeared in print on April 6, 2010, on page A19 of the New York edition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/sports/football/06arena.html |
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sidelines
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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thank you... CD, you are sig worthy...
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quakede45
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL very nice! |
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